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August 21 2007

HD-DVD Vs. Blu-Ray

HD-DVD Vs. Blu-RayAs some of you may have heard yesterday, Paramount and DreamWorks SKG have announced they will no longer be supporting Blu-Ray. While I wasn’t sure if this would push me one way or the other, when I heard via Roy that Michael Bay is upset by this, and may not direct Transformers 2 because of it… I immediately started shopping for an HD-DVD player.

I am down to either Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player or the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player. I am leaning towards the stand alone player because I don’t like one device being dependent on another.

Any one have any thoughts?



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  • Roy

    You’re going to be sorry. Blu-ray will win.

  • I thought that too up until about a month ago, but then I found out the number of “installed” Blu-Ray players isn’t what they report. 60% of the players out there are PS3, of those, only 40% have ever played a Blu-Ray disc. So, the number of HD-DVD players “in use” is actually higher.

    Add in Sony’s AMAZING track record of failed formats, and you have to start to wonder.

  • Roy

    That doesn’t mean anything.

    Blu-ray discs have been outselling HDDVD 2:1. In Japan, most of the big stores display BR and HD discs side by side but recently I’ve observed that the number of stock they are displaying is 80% BR and 20% HD with HD DVD discs down in the corner. But don’t let me stop you from buying your HD DVD player at Walmart.

    Despite which ever format wins I would prefer to be backing the BETTER technology and not just the cheaper one. It’s a matter or principles. The only argument that the HD camp is using is that it the players are cheaper than BR. Cheaper may be better to a lot of people in the free market (this is why Walmart is everywhere) but for the sake of technological evolution it’s not always better. While I’m not an expert in either technologies I’ve done enough research to believe that Blu-ray is the better technology.

    Sony’s failed formats were failures more because of their strategy and their business practices rather than problems with the formats themselves. Everyone who has ever owned a beta machine can tell you that. They may very well make the same mistake with BR but I hope they do not.

    Anyway, I thought you hated Transformers?

  • Roy

    This is a good pro Blu-ray post.
    http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=419

  • Roy – I did hate Transformers, I was making joke that if Michael Bay was against something, then I’m all for it!

    As much as I love Japan, it is an anomaly when it comes to technology. I can remember on my first trip over there in 2000 thinking to myself “Laser Disc was actually this popular here?!?” I loved my LD player, and I picked up a ton of discs, heck, it was the only place I could pick up Song of the South. They also embraced the mini-disc, which was never more than a whimper over here.

    Honestly, I just want the war settled. I have an HD TV, I *want* HD content to watch on it, and I *know* the second I pick a format, whichever one it may be, the other one will win. Now that I have an Xbox 360, the temptation to go HD-DVD is far greater, I won’t lie.

    The sad thing is, I remember the Betamax/VHS war, true, I was young, but I remember it. Beta WAS the superior format, but VHS won for whatever odd reason. Between the two new formats, I have heard very, VERY convincing arguments for one being better than the other, but from film aficionados/buffs, I tend to hear more favorable things towards HD-DVD.

    The price point, as silly as it may be, will end up playing a major factor in the war, and HD-DVD is winning that side hands-down right now. The Toshiba player I am looking at is currently $238 on Amazon, the cheapest Blu-ray is $456. When Christmas rolls around, and it’s time to add an HD player to your new HD TV, people are going to look at that and go “Wow… well, I dropped a ton on the TV, I’ll go for the bargain player” without giving two thoughts which one may have the crisper blacks.

    Sony has made some very critical strategical errors:
    1) Pricing
    2) The name is nonsensical (HD-DVD is pretty straight forward, what the hell is a “Blu-ray”? I’m speaking from a Joe Consumer point of view mind you)
    3) Where porn goes, so goes the format

    #3 is what ended up winning the Beta/VHS war, and now, the porn industry has chosen HD-DVD because it’s cheaper to produce. Initially they wanted Blu-ray, but Sony said “No thanks” as they didn’t want their name associated with it.

    In short, the war isn’t over, I’m still not sure of my “side”, I know which way I’m leaning, but I’m taking my time to ponder it for a little while longer.

    You know… this is turning in to a blog post, I am sure you will see this all show up again *laugh*

  • Roy

    “I did hate Transformers, I was making joke that if Michael Bay was against something, then I’m all for it!”

    So now that he’s all for HD are you going to flip the other way too?

    “Between the two new formats, I have heard very, VERY convincing arguments for one being better than the other, but from film aficionados/buffs, I tend to hear more favorable things towards HD-DVD.”

    Funny, I hear the complete opposite. I guess I’m more in tune with the superior film aficionados/buffs. ;-)

    “3) Where porn goes, so goes the format”

    Do people still want porn on a disc?

    Speaking of mini-disc. My NEW car-navi has a mini-disc slot for some strange reason. I wish it would just die.

    I may very well end up getting a combo player but to me this is like not voting because you can’t decide. In which case you relinquish your power to influence. Of course HD format is not as important as the leadership of your country but if you have an opinion or preference in something I believe you should support that with your actions rather than wait and see.

    If you KNOW that one technology is better than the other then don’t you think it’s your duty to support that? Otherwise, the majority of misinformed will choose based on the price. And that can’t be good for evolution.

    I mean, didn’t you see “Idiocracy?”

  • So now that he’s all for HD are you going to flip the other way too?

    I know, the flip-floppin’ bastard!

    Funny, I hear the complete opposite. I guess I’m more in tune with the superior film aficionados/buffs. ;-)

    Oh no you didn’t…

    Do people still want porn on a disc?

    Supposedly.

    Speaking of mini-disc. My NEW car-navi has a mini-disc slot for some strange reason. I wish it would just die.

    It did die… someone just forgot to tell Sony.

    If you KNOW that one technology is better than the other then don’t you think it’s your duty to support that? Otherwise, the majority of misinformed will choose based on the price. And that can’t be good for evolution.

    If my pockets were deeper, I would. I even fought switching to DVD for a year or two because I wanted to make sure it would catch on.

    I mean, didn’t you see “Idiocracy?”

    Nope, but I shall look into it.

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